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Transcript of Joyce &
Dave Von Kleist's Interview with
Rey Kapitka & Loma Wharton on March 18,
2008
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[Joyce] Welcome back to The Power Hour,
this is Joyce Riley; Dave will be
joining us in about five minutes and
he’s got a special something for you in
honor of Ray and Loma. These are the two
women that have more guts and more
brains than a whole bunch of Republicans
and Democrats put together. I think
these women are phenomenal in what they
have done. They have confronted—now,
remember—no—I’ll save that for a little
bit later. They are just amazing when
this happened. Anyway, the video is on
the website at www.thepowerhour.com . I
think it’s an hour-long video that you
can look at and it is amazing.
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[Joyce] We’re joined by two of the
smartest, bravest, most incredible women
that this country has, today. And I’m
not kidding you and I’m not saying that
just to be nice to them because we don’t
have to because they don’t care about
that kind of stuff. What they care about
is doing the right thing. They found out
that in Douglas County, Oregon property
was being taken from innocent people
under a fraudulent system called Notice
of Lien versus a lien. Well, they took a
stand; they went before the county
commissioners and I know that they had
no idea what they were going to do once
they started this little domino effect
in Douglas County. But I have to tell
you that we are thrilled to see that
they have made such a movement in that
county and it is affecting a lot of
other counties. Not only that…
[Dave] It’s not just in Douglas County,
this is being watched and listened to
all over the country.
[Joyce] That’s right. And we want to
welcome, today, to the Power Hour all of
the county commissioners and the
attorney that are listening today from
Douglas County, Oregon, all the
officials from Douglas County, Oregon
that are listening into the Power Hour,
today live, thank you very much for
joining us and remember, tell the rest
of the officials in Douglas County,
Oregon it will be on repeat every three
hours, today, at
gcnlive.com
. Why do we have them on the
program, today? Why do we have Loma
Whorton and Rey Kapitka? Because these
two women went before a meeting last
Friday and addressed the IRS issue.
We’re going to be talking to them, today
and we’ll save your phone calls till a
little bit later because we got to find
out how this meeting went. It is at
www.thepowerhour.com ; go to
liberator’s, www.theliberators11.org and
www.lomaforclerk.com because
Loma Wharton is running for county
clerk. Ladies, welcome to The Power
Hour, today.
[Loma] Good morning.
[Joyce] Wow, is all I can say. Let me
start with Rey and let’s give a brief
description of who you are in case there
are people that not heard this program
before. Rey, first of all, tell us your
background quickly and why you got
involved in this.
[Rey] I’m a holistic health practitioner
minister and got involved in this
because of my mother and Loma Wharton
and I’ve always known that something was
wrong but, boy, when I met Loma she sure
did put all the puzzle pieces together
and give me the full picture and we just
went from there. Our lives haven’t been
the same since.
[Joyce] Alright, let’s introduce Loma to
the program. Loma, you’d probably have
been working in the federal government
for many years and studied tax law, etc.
What is your background, Loma?
[Loma] I’m a self-employed hairdresser.
[Joyce] I love it; that is so cool when
you do that. Yeah, ladies and gentlemen,
these people put us to shame. If you’ve
got a sheepskin up there on the wall you
ought to be put to shame over what these
women are doing. Holistic health
practitioner and a hair dresser are
turning the country upside down.
Alright, Rey, tell us why this is
turning the country upside down.
[Rey] Well, because people are finally
realizing what’s going on. I hope that
we’ve helped to educate them in that
area but once people saw the first
presentation back in August they
realized that something was fishy. And I
think a lot of people out there know
that something’s not right. And after
that presentation they were able to
start doing their own due diligence and
then a few months later we had another
one and we started offering our evidence
book and folks were ordering that and
researching it and we started having
conference calls with people all over
the country in different counties and
talking to them and educating them, too.
It’s just been kind of a fire out of
control now.
[Joyce] It certainly is and we are so
glad to see that it is a fire out of
control. Loma, your opinion or
impression of where you are, right now.
You’ve had four meetings and, by the
way, they are on DVD. They’re available
for $40 plus $8 shipping an handling
from The Power Hour
{www.thepowerhour.com}, all the evidence
we’re talking about, here, The Tax Lien
Evidence Package, the four DVD set, the
Notice of Federal Lien Expose and Tax
Treaty Expose package available at The
Power Hour and an evidence book that
went to the county officials. That’s
available at The Power Hour, call
877-817-9829. Loma, where do you see the
standing that you have now with the
county commissioners, with the county of
Douglas County, Oregon?
[Loma] Well, after Friday as in November
they think they’re done with us because
the two gentlemen commissioners chose
not to go forward with hearing the
ordinance and putting it before the
people and holding open public meetings.
They have pretty much, from what they
think, stopped it all. But we’re not
done.
[Dave] Well, are they going to allow you
to present anymore information at their
meetings because after watching the
meeting—it is on-line, by the way,
folks, if you want to watch it. It’s
really interesting how they basically
maneuvered themselves into not actually
voting down the ordinance but they just
voted down hearing about the ordinance.
[Joyce] Ok, let’s stop with what the
ordinance is. Let’s go back and cover
that. What is the ordinance?
[Loma] The ordinance is basically the
lawful and Constitutional filing of
Notice of Federal Tax Lien. That’s
pretty much what the title says. And if
you watch the video… We went
through—they received a letter from the
IRS in response to some additional
information that we had sent the
commissioners regarding the issue. And
the IRS’ response was wonderful because
we were able to use it to present to the
commissioners that exactly what the IRS
says is their minimum requirements in
the letter was all we were asking for in
the ordinance. And what they did at the
meeting is they basically did a smoke
screen—well, a shell game—and they just
kind of switched everything around and
the reason being is that they don’t want
to get in the middle of this. They keep
telling us, ‘go to court, go to court,
go to court.’ Well, no, but we’ll do the
ordinance and you can put it in front of
the judge. And they’ve even decided not
to do that because they, too, don’t want
to go to court; they don’t want to face
the IRS.
[Dave] Well, there’s the land of the
free and the home of the…what’s that
word?
[Loma] I don’t think you can say that on
air, Dave.
[Dave] I guess not. I mean, who are they
working for, are they working for the
people of the county or are they working
for the IRS. Seriously and I know
they’re out there listening and, guys,
don’t you realize that by foot dragging,
paper shuffling and basically
{whistling} by playing that little game
you are destroying the rights of your
unborn grandchildren. Don’t you guys get
it? I mean I could see it; I could see
how they were dancing; couldn’t see
their feet but they were moving
underneath that counter.
[Joyce] Alright, let’s go back to the
beginning of the meeting because 99% of
the people listening to this program
have not seen the video yet. We know
they’re going to want to see it.
However, let’s start with what the
meeting was called for, what the purpose
of the meeting was and what happened.
[Rey] The purpose of the meeting was to
get them to move forward and do a public
hearing on the ordinance and I would
like to correct where I misspoke and
said that there were eighty-five million
people that weren’t paying taxes in
protest—it’s eight point five {million}.
I wish it were eighty-five, then we’d
really make a difference.
[Joyce] It will be eighty-five; go
ahead.
[Rey] Yes it will. And so, in this
presentation we were to give our
information cite our cases, cite our
laws and tell them exactly why we felt
that it should be taken forward to the
people and that the people should be
able to be heard and that it should be
voted on. Now, I want folks out there to
understand that this isn’t dead. The
only reason we’ve taken it to the county
is we needed to put them on notice,
legal notice, along with all of the
other county officials that are involved
in this too, being the sheriff’s
department, the recorder, the county
treasurer, etc. So, we can still take
this to the people on a referendum. So,
it’s not dead yet. The other thing that
we are going to do since they have
stopped it is we’re going to
present—well, actually, what we’re going
to do is in order not to acquiesce with
their decision within the ten-day period
we’re going to notify them that we
absolutely agree with the way that they
decided because neither side produced
any certified exculpatory evidence from
any state department. The IRS provided
nothing, counsel provided nothing and we
provided nothing. It was kind of like a
let’s show their hands and see what
they’re going to present. So now, we’re
going to go back with the letter within
the ten-day period and we’re going to
tell them that, yes, we agree; this is
the reason why we agree. We are now
going to come back to you within a
hundred and twenty day time period and
present to you documented exculpatory
evidence from the department verifying
our position.
[Joyce] Ok, now let me just ask you to
tell us what was it that the IRS was
asked to do?
[Rey] The IRS—actually, one of the
counselors which we made very clear
several times in our presentation, one
of the commissioners specifically wrote
a letter and asked what law would we be
breaking if we sign this ordinance into
law and what law would you sue us under?
[Dave] Ok, let’s get the answer to that
question when we get back from this
break because it sounds to me like you
just said, you had this meeting and the
commissioners showed their hand and you
showed your hand but it seems that the
only person that’s not showing their
hand is the IRS.
[Joyce] We have something special for
all those people up there in Douglas,
County, Oregon. Stay tuned; we’ll be
right back in four minutes.
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[Dave] Alright, welcome back, ladies and
gentlemen to the Tuesday edition of The
Power Hour and it’s really a simple
demand, it really is, just show us the
stinking law. They keep saying our
arguments are frivolous; they say we
don’t have to do anything. Well, look,
are we a country of laws or a country of
opinions? Welcome back to The Power
Hour—this is Dave…
[Joyce] and Joyce and we have joining
us, today, Loma Wharton and Rey Kapitka.
They went before the Douglas County
Commissioners meeting not even imagining
that it would have the kind of impact
that it’s had. What they did was they
said, ‘we think you are taking people’s
properties without the right to do that;
we think that you are doing this
illegally; we think it is fraud.’ Well,
that is developed into a number of
hearings that have taken place. If it
wasn’t fraud Douglas County probably
would have said, ‘we can prove it’s not
fraud and here we go and enough of
them.’ But they kept coming back and
they keep doing their homework. Loma
Wharton and Rey Kaptika join us today
from Douglas County, Oregon, Roseburg,
Oregon to tell us about this latest
meeting. Let me just ask you simply for
the people that have not heard this, you
went before with an ordinance, now what
was the request for this ordinance or
what did the ordinance actually say?
[Rey] Well, the ordinance actually
spells out the legal, lawful and
Constitutional procedures that the IRS
must follow in order to do a—well,
basically the turning of a Notice of
Federal Tax Lien into an actual lien
and/or levy. And all of the information
in the ordinance comes directly from
federal law and from the IRS Code Book,
itself, or from the IRS’ Special
Handbook for Special Agents and Criminal
Investigators. One of the arguments that
the county has continued to use is the
supremacy clause and stating that
federal law trumps state and local law.
And we kept reiterating nothing in the
ordinance has anything to do with that.
We are in compliance with the Supremacy
Clause and they continue to not hear
that.
[Joyce] Alright, now, as a result of all
of this Loma Wharton is now running for
county clerk. Now, this is a position we
want to help her with and we want you to
go to www.lomaforclerk.com because we
want her to be in that position. Can you
imagine what she can do once she gets in
a position where she has some authority
to do the right thing. Loma, how is your
campaign progressing? Tell us that, real
quickly.
[Loma] Well, first off, Joyce, it’s
going very well and I would like to
thank the Power Hour listeners that have
sent in donations. We’ve had donations
from twenty-five dollars to one dollar
and those are very, very important. I
don’t remember where they all came from
but I would…the listeners. The support,
here, is really—well, I’ve been to two
forums already and we’re starting to
have private parties with people getting
together in group where I can go and
talk to them, one on one. Finances for
this is a big issue with us because it
is grass roots. I don’t have a lot of
support and something that’s happened
here, another person has entered into
the race which was some misinformation
that I got from the clerk’s office. I
was told that I had to file in January
when in actuality I could have waited
and filed the first part of March which
is also the state regulation. So another
gentleman has entered the race so now we
have a runoff for the primaries. So,
getting signs and getting them out is
critical and we’re going to be starting
to pound the pavement, here, pretty
soon. We do have our tri-folds out but
the response has been overwhelming.
[Joyce] Now, we need people in that area
to help you out. Go to
www.lomaforclerk.com if you’re in the
Roseburg, Oregon area, anywhere around
there, help them out. Her website is
just absolutely beautiful and you can
donate there at the website. Now, we
need more money donated for Loma. We
need more support for her because this
is a woman, if anybody deserves a
position she deserves this position.
[Dave] No kidding.
[Joyce] Like Ron Paul. And this gives
new meaning to the, guys, get the lace
off your panties—I mean, new meaning to
that, gentlemen, new meaning to that.
Donate, guys, if you can’t support and
be there then donate, please. We’re
going to be right back after this
three-minute break and we’re going to
find out what happened with the request
to the IRS. We’ll find out what their
response was after this three-minute
break. Stay tuned.
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[Joyce] Loma, we do want to support you
in running for clerk,
www.lomaforclerk.com . Support her; go
to the website there. Alright, let’s go
back to the subject of the meeting that
was being held. Then you asked them to
adopt a resolution or an ordinance
regarding the IRS. Didn’t you say that
the IRS was asked a question by one of
the county commissioners, is that
correct?
[Rey] Yes.
[Joyce] Ok, and that question was?
[Rey] Marilyn Kittelman asked them to
tell her under what law specifically
would they sue the county should they
pass this ordinance. And she asked them
to either e-mail the answer or fax the
answer. They didn’t respond so she had
her secretary call and, Donna, her
secretary, was told that they could not
fax it or e-mail it. And she said,
‘well, just tell me, then.’ And they
said, ‘well, we can’t, because we’d be
walking on eggshells.
[Dave] Whoa, I remember hearing that
last night; I got to jump in, here. Wait
a second, why would they even make such
a statement unless…
[Joyce] Why are they walking on
eggshells?
[Dave] Really, this craziness.
[Joyce] We’re the ones that have to go
before the audits.
[Dave] Really, you can’t be a little bit
pregnant or mostly pregnant, either
there’s a law or there isn’t and we have
every right to demand that they ‘show me
the law’ just simply show me the law. If
you’re going to enforce the law and
these guys are running with the tails
between their legs up at Douglas County,
because they’re so afraid the IRS going
to come after them and sue them and
litigate. Well, wait a second, how can
they litigate if there’s no law?
[Rey] Right.
[Dave] This is so stupid; come on, guys,
land of the free, home of the…. I mean…
[Joyce] Alright, let’s go back to this.
So the IRS said, ‘we’re walking on
eggshells.’?
[Rey] Yes.
[Joyce] And what was the response of the
county commissioners at that point?
[Rey] Nothing, I mean, other than for
Marilyn Kittelman. She found it quite
unusual that that would be the answer
and that’s why she felt very strongly
about bringing it forward to the public
and at least doing a public hearing with
this so that they had their input.
[Loma] For those of you out there who
have watched every single one of our
DVDs the one commissioner that remained
silent up to Friday’s meeting was Joe
Lawrence. He hardly says anything until
Friday’s meeting. Now, let me tell you
something, here, I have been doing my
own education, my own research for
twelve years. There’s no way that that
man knew what he said in the side of
seven months that everything that Joe
Lawrence said and read during that whole
meeting was given to him by the
attorneys. You cannot learn that much
that fast.
[Joyce] Ok, so what are you implying
here?
[Loma] Well, they’d left it up to the
attorneys. And by leaving it up to the
attorneys and denying the people this
hearing Joe Lawrence and Doug Robertson
are guilty of a misprision of felony. We
reported the crime to them; they’re
obligated to do something. They had the
opportunity to take the ordinance to a
hearing, adopt it, let a court of
competent jurisdiction invalidate it and
give us the court’s findings and facts
and conclusions of law. That’s what the
ordinance asked for.
[Dave] It was John F. Kennedy that said,
when you make peaceful change impossible
you make violent revolution inevitable.
And I can’t help but think about the
commissioners in not just Douglas County
but around the country have basically by
following this particular methodology
are taking the law into their own hands.
They’re enforcing rules that don’t
exist, laws that don’t exist based on
color of law which is not law; it’s just
what they think is law and what the
attorneys tell them rather than doing
their own research and finding out that
the arguments that you’re making are
indeed valid because there are thousands
and thousands of attorneys across this
country. There are former IRS agents, I
mean, at the Freedom Law School. Peymon
Montehade, Joe Banister, John Turner,
Sherry Jackson, all these people, have
done the homework, they’ve done the
research and the bottom line, here is
that when you have commissioners in
counties across this country that take
the law into their own hands, I mean,
God forbid people should start taking
the law into their own hands. They
wouldn’t like that too much.
[Rey] That’s right.
[Loma] That’s one of the reasons why I’m
running for office. We have got to start
putting people in office that are no
longer afraid, that are willing to stand
up and tell the truth and do the right
thing.
[Joyce] Yes, absolutely. Now, you have
got more behind you in support than you
really know and I want it to be even
more than it is now. So, please, ladies
and gentlemen, go to
www.lomaforclerk.com . If there’s
anybody who we want to get into a
position to make a difference it’s Loma
Wharton and please donate and help her
because she’s doing all of this on her
own. She’s a hairdresser in real life
and she’s out there doing this because
she knows it is the right thing to do.
They’re taking a lot of risks; they’re
putting themselves in the firing line is
where they’re going. Now, let me open up
the phone lines because I know that
you’re chomping at the bit to ask
questions of Rey Kapitka and Loma
Wharton—800-259-9231. Now, you will see
them at the website. Go to the website
and click on the hearing that was held.
It’s going to take some time to watch
that because you’re going to want to see
what actually took place. Now, you said
that the two gentlemen. Well, again,
before I open up the phone lines,
800-259-9231, you said Joe Lawrence and
what’s the other gentleman’s name?
[Rey] Doug Robertson.
[Joyce] Doug Robertson have not been
saying a whole lot on this subject, is
that correct?
[Rey] Correct.
[Joyce] And, so, now what about the
lady, Ms. Kittelman? Now, we had her on
the Power Hour not too long ago. She
seems like a very smart lady with a lot
of support behind her. She doesn’t seem
like she is kowtowing to whatever agenda
there is. She seems to be thinking
outside of the cage as it were. What was
her status at this hearing?
[Rey] Well, Marilyn has got more honor
and integrity than the two of them put
together, that’s for sure. And what she
did at the end of the meeting—did a
motion to take this to the National
Association of Counties and the reason
being is that at the last meeting of
their state association of counties
there was a lot of talk between
commissioners and county treasurers
regarding this issue and their liability
in it and they want out. They don’t want
to be the collection center for the IRS
anymore. And there’s currently a Senate
bill, 2394, and a companion bill to that
is 1124 that’s in front of the Senate
that’s a little limited in scope. It has
to deal with contractors who contract
with the government. And they want to do
a centralized lien processing that the
IRS has. They put it back in the IRS’
lap. All of the public can go to it and
view it. The government officials can go
to it to view it so that when they are
opening projects up for bids they can
check and see if there’s any liens
against these corporations. Well, what
we want to do is we want to expand on
that bill, include all IRS liens, put it
back into the lap of the IRS, take it
completely out of the county’s hands
where they’re not doing any more of the
collection process for the IRS. So we
were approached by Nina Cook after the
meeting and asked if we would assist her
in writing a resolution that they could
take to the association of counties and
get it put onto their national platform
and make this an issue with these two
bills that are currently in front of
Congress, right now, to expand on them
and incorporate all IRS tax liens. And
that would be phenomenal because without
that recorder’s stamp it forces the IRS
back into following their rules,
regulations and the federal laws in
doing these federal notice of tax liens
and tax liens.
[Loma] One thing you have to remember,
here, Joyce, is not only does the
sheriff and the recorder take on a
personal liability for this fraud, the
entire county also takes on that
liability because that’s where the
county government’s going to go to pay
any debt from any cases that are brought
against any of these officials. So it’s
a huge liability for the county.
[Rey] If we could ever find an attorney
who is willing to take on a class action
suit regarding these filings of Notice
of Federal Tax Liens it could bankrupt
every county in the nation.
[Joyce] Oh, my goodness.
[Dave] Well, there are a couple of
points that need to be made. First of
all, I don’t know why people avoid it
but the bottom line is the United States
Constitution, Section 8, paragraph 17
states clearly the Congress shall have
the power to exercise exclusive
legislation in all cases whatsoever over
such district not exceeding ten miles
square. Federal law is constantly
referred to and deferred to I noticed by
the Douglas County commissioners when
they gave their presentation but federal
law does not apply to the states. The
states have their own constitution,
their own governor, their own Senators,
their own Congressmen, their own borders
and people have to understand that if we
allow federal law to supercede state law
then there’s no need for states, there’s
no need for commissioners; they’re all
out of a job and that’s the first part.
The other part, a lot of folks don’t
realize, is that the IRS attorneys have
even admitted in courts of law that the
IRS, itself, is not part of the
government. So when they defer to IRS
Code or whatever they’re deferring to a
private organization that really doesn’t
have any jurisdiction when it comes
right down to it.
[Rey] Correct.
[Loma] Nina Cook called it a different
kind of judgment creditor—show me the
bill.
[Joyce] Ok, very good; let’s go to Jeff
in Reno. Jeff, you’re on the air with
Rey and Loma, go ahead, please.
[Jeff] Yeah, I just wanted to make a
couple of comments but first I wanted to
understand, if I heard it correctly, was
it someone that said that the federal
law enforcement or the government
actually has… Is that what I heard that
federal law enforcement or the
government actually has authority over
local government; did I hear that
correctly?
[Joyce] Rey or Loma, do you want to
respond to that?
[Rey] Well, what we’re saying is that
the argument from the special attorney
that the county has hired is that the
supremacy clause is the whole issue
here. And they say that federal law
trumps state and local law. Well, only
to the point to where our US Congress
has the authority to pass laws that are
compliant with the Constitution. So,
this gets really deep as far as that
goes.
[Loma] And there’s another single issue
that Nina made very clear in the
September 7th meeting. The IRS relies on
the supremacy clause, federal law
trumping, and the Fourteenth Amendment.
Now, for years we’ve all been taught
that we are Fourteenth Amendment
citizens, that we are obligated to pay
the debt. So when you take the
Fourteenth Amendment and the Thirteenth
Amendment, the Fourteenth Amendment is
very critical and that’s what people
need to understand. They need to do
their own due diligence to see how
you’re obligated and liable for.
[Joyce] Ok, let me go to Buzz in
Texas—thank you very much. Buzz in
Texas, you’re on the air; go ahead,
please with Rey and Loma.
[Buzz] I have two quick questions. One,
the economic stabilization checks that
are coming out. Is it possible those are
going to be classed by the IRS as earned
income, responsible for putting that on
your 08 tax returns and if they say,
‘yes, that is earned income,’ or ‘it’s
taxable income,’ will there be any
interest penalties for the year that you
had in your possession?
[Joyce] Well, they’re not tax experts
and that’s really not the issue. Ladies,
do you want to address that issue?
[Rey] We have no idea.
[Joyce] Ok, that’s not in their purview,
but good comments, though, Buzz—very
good comments.
[Buzz] It’s just a question I had
because, hey, hypothetically if it were
classed as earned income then, wow,
what’s going to happen on the 08 tax
returns?
[Dave] I want to point out to the
Douglas County commissioners and all the
others that if you want to check out
Diversified Metal Products, which is the
plaintiff, versus T-Bow Company Trust
you will find on item 4 it states that
not the Internal Revenue Service is a
agency of the United States government
but admits that the United States of
America would be a proper party to the
action.
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[Dave] Welcome back, ladies and
gentlemen, to the Tuesday edition of The
Power Hour; this is Dave…
[Joyce] …and Joyce. And that is on the
album, Music to Live For, and you got to
get it, you got to have it, it’s from
The Power Hour. That’s about the only
place to get it. Call 877-817-9829 and
you get a free cassette of Dave’s first
album, Will Someone Listen. You can go
to www.thepowermall.com . Before we went
to the break Dave was explaining about
the IRS being a governmental agency or
not a governmental agency. Dave, go
ahead and quote that real quickly.
[Dave] Yeah, and I’m sorry I stepped on
you a little going to that break, there.
I wanted to get that in there but this
is a case of a company, Diversified
Metal Products v. T-Bow Company Trust,
Internal Revenue Service, and a
gentlemen by the name of Steve Morgan;
this is in the State of Idaho. And the
statement, here, reads and I quote: The
United States of America through
undersigned counsel hereby responds to
the numbered paragraphs of the
plaintiff’s complaint as follows—and it
goes, 1, 2, 3, and then paragraph 4.
Statement denies that the Internal
Revenue Service is an agency of the
United States government but admits that
the United States of America would be a
proper party to the action, period. Now…
[Joyce] It denies that the Internal
Revenue Service is an agency of the US
government.
[Dave] Exactly. So if any county
commissions or any county, any elected
officials, are kowtowing to the IRS then
they are doing the will of a private
organization that has no jurisdiction or
bearing whatsoever.
[Joyce] Ok, let me go back to Buzz in
Texas. Buzz, go ahead, please. Buzz is
gone. Frank in Louisiana, go ahead,
Frank.
[Frank] Yes, the IRS in its own legal
reference guide states that a notice of
levy is not enough to seize any
property. And the Supreme Court has
stated you must have a court order in
order to seize property. So if you’re
acting in the executive branch of
government which the IRS is and you’re
seizing property you’re violating
separation of powers. That’s an
extremely powerful violation. The
Supreme Court said in the Soval v.
Illinois case that that’s called a
criminal trespass.
[Joyce] Ok. Thank you very much for that
information, Frank. You want to respond
to that, Rey or Loma, we’ve got a bunch
of phone calls; do you want to respond
to that?
[Loma] Well, if watch the DVD on Friday,
county counsel read all cases that dealt
with lower court cases but the
presentation that we made, I might add,
that we gave them two weeks before so
they would know exactly what we were
talking about, we put Supreme Court
rulings in there and what the Supreme
Court has said. But the Supreme Court is
frivolous and one thing people have to
understand, here; this current
government is ruling under
administrative rules. They are not
following the Constitution…
[Joyce] Let me move on real quickly. I
apologize. Bob in Saint Louis, final
caller to The Power Hour with Rey and
Loma, go ahead, please.
[Bob] How do you spell your name to get
your website; do you have a phone
number? And I got one more question.
[Joyce] Ok, give out the website,
ladies, please.
[Rey] www.lomaforclerk.com ,
www.theliberators11.org .
[Joyce] If you go to the website and
click on it, it’ll be on there today and
you can hear this program every three
hours for the rest of this day {March
17, 2008} and part of tomorrow. Thank
you so much for joining us on The Power
Hour. You’re heroines if we’ve ever seen
them—thank you so very much.
[Rey & Loma] Thank you, guys.
[Joyce] We support you and, ladies and
gentlemen, support Rey and Loma. Ladies,
I cannot say enough for you. Wow, what
heroes.
[Dave] Absolutely; you girls rule.
Alright, well maybe if Loma gets elected
she will in the County Commissioners
Office—there we go.
[Joyce] Douglas County, stay tuned.
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