Joyce
Riley Interviews Mayor Tony Keenan,
Orange Beach, Alabama
June 25, 2010
Gulf Oil Disaster
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[Joyce] For
some reason the phone situation is real
tough in the beach area. I will remind
you that we’ve also received word that
yesterday just as Erin was heading into
Pensacola they shut down the beaches,
those beautiful, beautiful white sand
beaches are no longer, ladies and
gentlemen—that’s just part of the story.
Now, I’m going to bring on Mayor Tony
Keenan to the Power Hour today. Thank
you so much, Mayor, for joining us on
the Power Hour this morning.
[Mayor TK]
Ma’am, thank you, I appreciate it very
much.
[Joyce] I
don’t know what to say, sir, and I know
you don’t either but there’s something
horribly wrong in this whole entire Gulf
area and it’s breaking everyone’s heart
and I cannot imagine what it’s doing to
your people right now.
[Mayor TK]
Well, thank you for that. It’s just a
never ending nightmare. It’s like a
hurricane that just never stops. Reality
set in over the last two weeks. We’ve
been blessed not to be impacted severely
up until the last two weeks, but it has
really, really affected us drastically.
[Joyce]
Well, I appreciate that you spent
time with us on the air and I know you
have very limited time. Erin Denkins who
met with you yesterday said that you
have some very sharp opinions about
what’s going on. I would be concerned
saying anything right now given the fact
that I may be wanting some kind of
federal support so I might be a little
bit hesitant to say what I’m thinking.
Just tell us and protect your area and
protect your people but what is going on
in your area right now?
[Mayor TK]
Well, it’s probably a little too late
for that for me. Guess I’ve been pretty
vocal for some time now. It’s on two
fronts. I feel like, for the most part,
we’re being used—we’re pawns in the
political game and that’s on both sides,
not just the White House. I don’t feel
like the President has been engaged
personally. I don’t think he has a fire
in his belly to attack this problem and
make us feel like he’s going to fight
this offshore and be able to look at ….
Hey, we may fail but it won’t be for
lack of effort. And then the other front
is the fact that BP is a callous cold
calculating faceless entity in my
opinion. They know we’re hurting down
here. They know the only thing they can
do for us is financial because our
tourist season has been absolutely
devastated and our folks can’t make it.
There’s no resources for them to make it
through the year.
[Joyce]
You have just overcome
Hurricane Ike, Katrina, all kinds of
incredible fishing regulations and now
to have this happening and, of course,
with this latest story of Richard Kruse
and him dying of a self inflicted wound.
He may have brought a lot of attention
to that area by his death and we honor
this man in his tragedy. He must have
been so incredibly despondent that he
couldn’t even look at his water any
longer.
[Mayor TK]
Yes, ma’am he was a buddy of mine and I
thought the world of him. He was a great
dad, a great husband. I was with the
family yesterday when they brought the
boat back over to the marina and we will
do everything we can to make sure his
life wasn’t taken in vain. I’m very
saddened but then at the same time I
just get angry the more I think of those
eleven lives lost at the explosion all
because of what I feel like was a
corporation that was chasing the buck at
the expense of everyone else. And, then,
I’m a Catholic. I’m going to make that
clear. I absolutely have no problem with
somebody making a profit but when you
sidestep safety, when you…{satellite
drop out} …small people hurting right
now and BP’s doing nothing whatsoever to
step up and take care of the problem.
[caller] We
had a geologist, Chris from California
was on the program, Chris Landau and he
said, ‘there’s something really wrong
with this.’ He said, ‘any geologist in
their right mind knows this could have
been eliminated. It should have not
happened and there’s something else
going on here.’ He said, ‘for the life
of me, I can’t figure it out because
this kind of McGruber approach is just
making no sense whatsoever with what
they’re doing in the Gulf. Now, that’s
got to be the problem that everybody’s
having. It’s just a whiplash situation.
What is going on? Why aren’t they fixing
it?
[Mayor TK]
Yeah, I’m like you. Just got this gut
feeling that something’s not right,
something’s not being shared with us and
I don’t know whether it’s the federal
government with BP and you hate to sound
like a conspiracy theorist. But
something just doesn’t seem right and BP
will not come out and talk about why
they don’t use X,Y and Z methods which
are all over the place. Why don’t you
nuke it? Why don’t you napalm it? Why
don’t you do all these suggestions and
they’re just absolutely closed mouth on
it all. I don’t know. Like I said, maybe
I’ve been reading too many tech sheets.
There’s some real scary catastrophic
scenarios out there. And I don’t know if
those are possible. I don’t have that
kind of expertise but, again, I don’t
trust anybody. They told us it was 1000
barrels a day and they stuck to that for
weeks and now we’re finding out it’s
70,000 to 100,000. I mean, how do you
miss that? How do you drill 5000 feet
deep and not know what the volume of oil
coming out of the pipe but you know the
diameter and the pressure of is—I mean,
come on.
[Joyce] And
they know that and Chris Landau said
that all those—he said he kept the mud
sheets for rigs before. He said, ‘they
know down to the gallon how much is
coming out of those. The other thing
that he… {sat break} …Schlumberger had
their own, since there was no
helicopters coming for two weeks, had
their own company send in helicopters
and remove their people from the rig
just minutes in advance. Now, I know
causation is not a real issue, right
now, or what happened before because
you’re just trying to get it stopped.
But the other thing that makes no sense,
right now, that I understand is that
you’re not being told what the
environmental monitoring is there.
You’re not being told what the benzene
levels and hydrogen sulfide levels are.
Can you tell us whether or not the EPA
and Homeland Security are addressing
that with you?
[Mayor TK]
Well, I don’t know that that is the
case. Supposedly, there’s a
considerably more tech sheet and data
sheet published on their website and
other… But for the layman, I guess what
we want is someone to come in and sit
down and say, ‘hey, guys, this is how it
is, this is what it’s all about.’ And
we’ve actually just hired our own
geologist with a specialty expertise in
hole remediation and spills and we’re
going to bring him in and we’re going to
do all of our own testing, our own soil
testing. We’re going to make sure that
we know what we’re dealing with and
going forward if we have to go to court,
if we have to do it, we have to do it.
We want to start documenting it now.
[Joyce]
We’ve got a lot of listeners in
your area there that tune in every day
to the Power Hour and we’re getting a
lot of conflicting reports. They’re
concerned about reports that people are
being told to get ready to evacuate.
Maybe a lot of this is just internet
writing but what are you hearing from
FEMA or from Homeland Security,
whomever, the Department of Interior or
anybody? Is there any talk about
preparations for evacuations from the
area?
[Mayor TK] Not
with me. I’ve heard absolutely nothing
whatsoever about evacuating the area.
The odor has not been real strong here.
We’ve had some days where, yeah, it was
strong enough so you needed to get off
the beach, but it’s not persistent. Of
course,
I wouldn’t want
anybody in it for any length of time,
obviously. But, no, I have not heard
anything like that. Now, I have a
meeting scheduled with Homeland Security
coming up and I guess they’ll brief me
on what’s going on if there’s anything
to be briefed on. They may be just
coming to ask what they could do—I don’t
know. I hope that’s what they’re doing.
I hope they’re coming to ask if they can
help and maybe they’ll give my phone
number to Mr. Fineberg so he’ll come
down here and find out what’s going on,
on the ground.
[Joyce]
The idea that he was
involved with the 911 distribution of
money and some of the agent orange
distribution. All these kinds of things
start to make you wonder who and what
this guy is and what his job is. I mean,
we want to believe, we want to believe
that it’s going to be better than the
Exxon Valdese disaster where everybody
got an average of $15,000. We want to
believe that he’s going to do the right
thing. Have you seen the monies coming
to your people appropriately in your
estimation?
[Mayor TK] No,
what I’m seeing is small amounts—I call
it hush money. I think the average
payout is like $2,300, right now. I
mean, that’s nothing. I mean, we’re
talking about a 2.3 billion dollar
tourism industry, right here, in this
Gulf Orange Beach area. We have large
employers with 700 to 1000 employees on
the beach that have never seen anything.
And none of us are prepared to have the
cash to carry these businesses. See,
we’re all locally owned. We’re a
home-owned family owned—I mean, even our
biggest companies—these folks live right
here in town. We don’t have deep, deep
corporate pockets to carry us. Like you
said, this last five years have been
devastating and it has essentially
exhausted everybody’s funds so just I am
so frustrated. Give you an example, we
have a tremendous number of commissioned
sales people around here. They just
decided they’re no longer going to pay
commissioned sales people anything
because they haven’t decided how to do
it so it’s tied up in legal. Well, wait
a minute, guys, we’re ten weeks into it,
how we going to reimburse them? Well,
that didn’t happen and that’s one
example of something, time after time
after time where they just don’t follow
through. It’s tied up in legal; it’s
just so frustrating. And, again, it just
shows to me how disingenuous they are.
And then they’ve got this fifty million
dollar PR machine, the spin machine,
going that literally makes me sick every
time I see one of their commercials.
[Joyce] Are
you seeing BP on the beach cleaning up
like they tell us they’re cleaning up?
[Mayor TK]
Well, it was not good. We had the first
group was fired and run off. OSHA’s in
the way. OSHA’s got them out here
working anywhere from ten minutes on,
twenty minutes off, fifteen minutes on,
fifteen minutes off. They literally work
a half a day at the very most because
they’re afraid they might get hot. It’s
just the safety rules and federal rules
and regulations on the boats, it’s just
everything. Everything about the federal
government is in the way to be honest
with you. It’s just in the way. It
doesn’t allow us—we’re just like Bobby
Gendle down there. He just wants to
build a berm. So build a berm to keep
the oil out and he can’t get it and it’s
the same thing here. I feel like I am
living in the Land of Oz. America has
become the Land of Oz, I’m telling you.
[Joyce] It is
so frightening. It is as if you have
gone into a nightmare and can’t find the
room to get out of it and Bobby Gendle,
bless his heart has been stronger. You
and he have the strongest people from
your respective vantage points that I
have seen and I’m really am amazed that
he has been as verbal and you as verbal
as you have been. If you could say
anything to them as to what’s going on,
right now, I mean, you of all people
responsible for your people trying to do
the right thing must feel like they’re
just is no answer right now and what
would you say to them if you could get
them to listen and do what you think
they need to do?
[Mayor TK]
I’ve come to the conclusion that it is
an absolute waste of time to say
anything to them because there’s no
interest in the human tragedy. I mean it
is strictly numbers. It is shareholder
interest, it’s dividends. It’s almost
like a science fiction movie to an
extent where everything again is by the
numbers. And that’s what’s so
frightening and so disheartening about
it is you can’t really reason—you and I
were across the table and we had a
disagreement we could probably reason
through it because if we both had
sincere desires to make it right we’d
figure out how to do it. I don’t think
they have the sincere desire to try to
make it right. They have the sincere
desire to deflect, delay and to confuse
and that’s my belief. And I believe that
they will walk away in a heartbeat at
the point in time that it suits them and
the shareholders. And the only thing
they’re going to throw us is what is…in
the PR advantage. So, I don’t know what
to say to them. I’ve said everything I
can say for ten weeks begging them to
please help our people. Alan Kreuse
committing suicide, what an eye-opener
to how stressed our people are, I don’t
know what else will open their eyes but
I don’t believe they care—I really
don’t.
[Joyce] No,
and I think we’d have to agree with
that. When the information surfaced that
Goldman Sacs had short sold the stock on
BP that Tony Haywood had sold it short,
his stock just prior to this event
occurring. People are starting to look
at this and say, ‘wait a minute, are we
talking about intent here? Are we
talking about something that’s so much
further down the road worse than we can
ever imagine?’ I know that it doesn’t do
any good to think about those things
right now, but that may be reaching, we
may be going toward the reason why
they’re not doing anything and taking
care of the people. Are you getting any
kind of response from people as far as
illnesses, increased respiratory
problems, that kind of thing?
[Mayor TK]
Well, I’ve had some empirical
conversations with folks. I don’t know
that I have anything documented. We
have, like I said, pharmacies, those
types of conversations, they’re saying
that people are coming in with
respiratory distress but most of those
are on the high risk side, elderly or
asthmatics or some type of respiratory
issues. There’s a gag order essentially
with all of their employees so we really
don’t have any clue what’s going on…
[Joyce] Wait
a minute, a gag order. A gag order from
whom to whom?
[Mayor TK]
Well, from what I understand,
essentially the contract—every employee
of the BP contractors or BP are pretty
much eliminated from speaking to the
media or anyone about anything. If you
walk down the beach and you if you try
to carry on a conversation they could
not, they would look away and just
absolutely go mum. So, I don’t know,
again, what they’re hiding. I don’t know
why it is they don’t want to discuss or
what they don’t want to discuss. But,
again, it may be absolutely nothing.
That may be standard for the industry—I
don’t know. But I don’t run my business
with the city like that. To me, if you
don’t open up and talk all it does is
create questions and suspicions and
conspiracy theories. And that’s one
thing that is difficult. We can’t assess
a lot of times what is happening because
there’s no real dialog.
[Joyce] We
have learned from some of our people
that have contacted us that activated
charcoal will mitigate the symptoms or
can neutralize benzene and it
neutralizes 3000 other items. I’d like
to offer to you that we’d like to get
you started with a case of activated
charcoal, send that down to you. You can
use it at your discretion or not use it
at your discretion. I think we need to
do and inform our people in any way that
we can. {break}
We are so honored
to have the mayor of Orange Beach and I
think that the people of Orange Beach
are so honored to have the mayor there,
Tony Keenan. When I talked with Erin
yesterday, she said, ‘Joyce, you got to
have this guy on as long as you can.’ If
he was president of the United States we
would have no problem. Well, I just
appreciate your speaking out. During the
break you told me that you’re concerned
because you have a four year old and a
fourteen year old so you have a vested
interest in what is going to be the
future down the road five years as a
result of this spill.
[Mayor TK] Oh,
absolutely, I mean, you know all the
horror stories of all the other super
toxic sites, Love Canal, and all them
throughout history and we worked all our
lives to be able to have this quality of
life and have a home here and now I
don’t know if we’re going to have it or
not. I don’t know what the threat is
with the long term ramifications are but
I will not take any chances with my
children—I can tell you that, right now.
So, that’s one of the reasons we’re
going to have our specialist evaluate it
because I’m going to know what the
threat is for our folks and they’re
going to know what the threat is. We’re
not going to hold anything back.
[Joyce] Well,
that is encouraging and I know that
Chris Landau said that—well, he’s an
environmental geologist and I mean he’s
an incredible person {sat break}…
…every mile monitoring stations. We want
monitoring stations for the hydrogen
sulfide, for the benzene, for all of
these items and components and then put
them in buoys five miles out so we know
what is fixing to happen to us. And I
think that’s a very important point,
that the least that they could be doing
is the monitoring stations for the
citizens that live there.
[Mayor TK]
Absolutely, that’s just a…of our health.
I mean, that’s stating the obvious. With
you and all my folks, my word, we’re
going to know what’s going on, whatever
it takes, whatever it costs.
[Joyce] Well,
that is excellent and we’d like for you
to keep us up to speed on that. As soon
as you find out what the status of the
air quality is we’d like to know it and
we’d like to spread the word and I know
a lot of our listeners in that area are
desperately wanting to know also. If I
see one more BP commercial knowing how
much these commercials cost… {sat
break} …oh, really?
[Mayor TK]
Yeah, so it is interesting, isn’t it?
[Joyce] How
convenient, isn’t it?
[Mayor TK]
Yeah. And I feel bad for the independent
owners, the local folks. But at the same
time you know if you make a deal with
the Devil it sort of comes back to haunt
you. I’m the same way, I watch these
commercials and it’s the perfect example
of that little book we see, How to Lie
With Statistics and see them throw out
these faces of these guys who are
volunteering and they’ve been here all
their lives and then they throw out
these numbers and it really upsets me
because if you got to spin to make
yourself look good you must really,
really be bad.
[Joyce] You
must really have something to hide if it
costs you fifty million dollars to
polish this pig up and put the lipstick
on it—fifty million dollar lipstick is
an awful expensive little…
[Mayor TK] All
they got to do is do the right thing and
they wouldn’t have to spend a dime
because we would be their best PR
machine. We would be singing their
praises to high heaven.
[Joyce] I’d
like to open up our phone lines. Now,
the first priority are people in this
area, people in his area. The first
priority for phone calls will go to
people in Alabama. If there’s none of
those calling in that have a question
then we will go to other callers. So, I
want to open up the phone lines to just
a few callers. He’s being very kind to
give us this time, right now, ladies and
gentlemen. Can you imagine the people
coming to him and saying, ‘what are we
going to do, what are we going to do?’ I
don’t know if I could deal with all of
that but this is a man who has a job of
trying to take care of his people.
800-259-9231, question or comment for
Mayor Tony Keenan?
We’re talking to
Mayor Tony Keenan. It’s a job I wouldn’t
want to have right now, ladies and
gentlemen. He never thought that this
would be part of his job description,
saving the ocean and saving his people.
He joins us today as a very stand-up
person who obviously has the faith and
the direction and the support of a lot
of people down there. We don’t have any
callers from his local area. They filled
up real fast with callers from other
areas so if you do call in if there’s
any phone lines left you’ll go to the
front of the line if you are from
Alabama or the Gulf area. John, who have
we got—Lola, from Kansas City. Lola from
Kansas City, you’re the first up with
our Mayor, Tony. Go ahead please.
[Lola] It’s
an honor to listen to him this morning.
It makes me very sad. I’m going to try
to keep my composure. Just a moment
because I’m so sad for these people.
What I’m hearing is a mayor that is…to
really fight. Is there a possibility
that these states down there can finally
get together? I believe that this is a
war that they have set up for us to see
if we’re going to lay down one more time
or is there a possibility that these
states can start to get together and go
around the federal government at this
point and do all the things that they
should be doing…
[Joyce] Ok,
let me go to Mayor Keenan because that’s
an excellent question. A lot of people
are saying, ‘are we going to finally get
it, the federal government is not there
to protect us. I mean, they’re talking,
Tony, about everything from this being
genocide on the people to who knows
what. Your response to Lola, please.
[Mayor TK]
Thank you Lola for caring. I just really
appreciate it and people from all over
this country have reached out to us and
it means so much. Joyce, I’m going to be
very honest with you, I fear the federal
government.
Bobby Gendle, I
think, he has done a wonderful job but
you haven’t seen him violate federal
law. I
think people have to understand that
there’s many times and things that we
would like to do and take it upon
ourselves to do. That hammer that the
federal government swings is huge. And I
don’t know, I don’t know at what point I
become brave enough to step out there
and say the heck with federal regs and
all these folks. I’ll be honest with
you, they scare me to death. I don’t
want to sound like a coward but I would
hope that the entire nation would rally
to our side. I don’t know, I think we’re
all very weary.
[Joyce] Yes,
and you’re seeing everything dissolve
right in front of your eyes, not even
just into a neutral but into such a
negative situation. You fear the federal
government, I don’t think there’s anyone
in this country, right now, if they were
honest that would not say that and so I
think you’re being very up front and
very forward on this and the country
needs to unite behind these people is
right. I know Louisiana had a prayer day
the other day, everybody at prayer over
this issue. I know we’ve been supporting
it in prayer but there’s got to be some
action now. We’ve got to separate
ourselves from the evil doers, if you
will. Let me go to Mary in New York.
Mary in New York, you’re on with Mayor
Keenan—go ahead, please.
[Mary] Hi, it’s
an honor to talk to you both. I was
just…in an e-mail from unleavened bread
which is ~http://www.americaslastdays.com
. They are
monitoring the levels of poisoning
that’s going on around the Gulf area and
that when it gets…south of Florida will
be evacuating and that was probably a
week ago, I’m not sure, over a week ago,
that I got that e-mail.
[Joyce]
Yeah, we don’t know if that’s official
or not. So, let me just go back to Mayor
Keenan. There’s a lot of things
surfacing like this, sir, and it’s got
to be hard to know what to believe.
[Mayor TK] And
again, I’ve heard nothing…{sat break}
Now, EPA is monitoring and again it’s
one of those things where I just want to
do it myself but they have said there’s
been zero pickup to their monitoring
devices of any type of toxic or benzene
or anything of that nature. What do you
do, I mean, it’s not my area of
expertise. I don’t know that I want to
trust anybody so we’re going to trust
and verify ourselves.
[Joyce] Love
it—yes, absolutely. So we need to have
independent monitoring stations, ladies
and gentlemen, and where does the state
get all this money? I mean, the federal
government’s still got 500 million
bailout money for bankers available but
none for Orange Beach.
We have an
incredible mayor joining us today who
has said that he will agree to stay with
us to the bottom of the hour and,
believe me, he’s got a lot of other
things to do so we thank him very much
for giving us this much time. I just
received pictures from Erin from the
area and we’re going to pass those on to
Wanda and also to the e-mail blast. So
if you’re a part of the e-mail blast
you’ll be kept up to date on this,
pictures of the destruction of his area,
the workers, the incredible number of
school buses that they are bussing in
people in your area. Mayor, we’re seeing
all these buses that are bussing in
people to your area when obviously you
have people that need work there. Do you
have any idea what this is all about?
[Mayor TK]
Well, we’ve had some issues. I know that
initially on the startup of something
this massive—I understand you have to
bring in your own contractors and you
have to make sure you have resources
available to you and I understand that.
But over a ten-week period you hope that
you can start seeing the locals being
integrated into the process, our local
businesses integrated in and to some
degree that’s happening. It hasn’t
happened as quick as I would like. It
seems like I have to pull teeth to get
anything done. I’ll be honest with you,
Joyce. If it weren’t for the national
media and the exposure which is the only
leverage I’ve got, still don’t think
they’d be returning my phone calls.
[Joyce] Oh,
my goodness. Well, thank goodness Fox
put you on the air and we’re going to
include that Fox audio with the e-mail
blast so you can see the mayor himself.
Also Erin took a really nice picture of
you in the office and we appreciate that
also.
[Mayor TK]
That was very nice and I appreciate her
and her husband.
[Joyce] He’s a
disabled Gulf War veteran and has a lot
of challenges in his own life—he’s 100%
disabled and, of course…
[Mayor TK] I
didn’t know that.
[Joyce] Yeah
and it’s just incredible these people
that say, ‘I’ll go, I’ll go, I’ll do
it,’ and I want to know what’s going on
and we’re just so grateful that you
received her in a very positive way also
and she would be willing to go and find
out what’s happening down there. Mary in
New York, I apologize, if there was
anything else that you left that needed
addressing, give me a call back, Mary.
Let’s go to Mike with Mayor Keenan—go
ahead, please.
[Mike] Joyce, I
just though I’d pass this news item to
you. They’ve closed the beaches from
Navarre beach over to Destin, Florida
now because the oil is getting so thick
on there and they’re trying frantically
to keep it out of the Choctawhatchee
Bay. That’s east of Orange Beach. It’s
actually going toward—they think it will
be in Panama City by Sunday.
[Joyce] Aren’t
you grateful that we have somebody like
Mayor Keenan to help us out here?
[Mike] Oh, yes.
I tried to hear the first five minutes
of the interview but the static was so
bad. Ask him, is the situation in Orange
Beach, is it getting any worse down
there?
[Joyce] Ok, good
question. Mayor, is it getting worse or
is it just staying the same?
[Mayor TK] It
has gotten—the incidents are not any
worse, they’re just becoming more
frequent. But what it looks like is that
east of us they’re getting hit much,
much harder with a much thicker type of
tar than we have. And, again, we’re
blessed and I would wish that on no one.
I hate their having to go through it but
I’m actually going to go up and fly over
this afternoon at 12 or 1 to just get an
idea of what’s going on. But to the
east of us there’s a really, really
large…{sat break}
[Joyce]
…everywhere. We had been told
initially that in certain towns they
were being told that FEMA was going to
book all of their rooms. Now, this was
as far out as Tillman’s corner in
Tennessee and we announced this last
week that we were getting word that
Tillman’s Corner was booked by FEMA two
weeks in advance, two weeks in advance
of this time—Tillman’s Corner in
Tennessee. Now, we get word that this
was, in fact, true and it is totally
booked there at Tillman’s Corner—for
what reason we don’t know. Let me go
to—thank you…for the phone call. Let’s
go to Annette in West Virginia. Annette
you’re on the air—go ahead, please, with
Mayor Keenan.
[Annette] Good
morning. I have a few comments related
to this terrible calamity in the Gulf.
For one thing, it just seems that
there’s a pattern, that those who are
supposed to respond to calamity just
don’t seem to do it and the American
people are not being told by the
broadcasters that they have their ninth
and tenth Amendment of rights to follow
through on and they do not have to wait
for the government to tell them to do
anything.
[Joyce] Yeah,
and I think that he understands that now
and it’s like, ok, where do you begin,
where do you start with something this
big? Do you have a question for the
mayor because I’ve got lots of people
who want to talk to him?
[Annette] Well,
the American Free Press,…very good
correspondent and he has the title to an
article in the June 28th
issue, Will Gulf Calamity Lead to
Rothschild’s Financial Takeover? Has he
heard of anything along these lines?
[Joyce] A
Rothschild takeover out of the Gulf
Calamity? Ok, in other words, you’re
talking about something a whole lot
bigger than what we’re seeing the Gulf?
Sir, any response to that?
[Mayor TK] No,
ma’am. I have not heard anything of that
nature. I mean, now obviously, there’s a
possibility of a corporate takeover
because all of our family businesses
could go under and sell for pennies on
the dollar and that’s what scares us as
it would absolutely change the face of
our community. But I have heard nothing
on the scale of what that question was
framed.
[Joyce] I would
be afraid of eminent domain or your
property is now ours and we’ll give you,
like you
See, Monongahela Navigation Company v.
U.S. (Supreme Court) You have the right
to set your own price – don’t give those
cheating bastards anything except at
your price!! Take them to court. In the
Kelo New London property case, the idiot
lawyers fought the wrong issue so they
lost. The government does have the right
to eminent domain in cases of public
necessity but you have the right to set
your price. So don’t learn the law
yourself and hire a thieving lawyer and
go down in flames every time. }
And let’s pray
that doesn’t occur, Ladies and
Gentlemen. Thank you, Annette from West
Virginia. Fred in Missouri, you’re on
the air with Mayor Keenan—go ahead,
please.
[Fred] Mayor
Keenan, evidently you say he was a
reverend up there, he’s coming out
saying that it was either the benzene
levels or the hydrogen sulfide, one of
those two, you’re supposed to put on a
gas mask at 4 parts per billion and one
of those officials measured it at 3000
to 3400 parts per billion coming out of
there.
[Joyce] Let
me just add, Fred, yeah this is hearsay.
I’ve heard what Lindsay has said, this
is hearsay. I want to see some
documented fact and I think also our
guest wants to see some documented fact
also as to the true air quality. Do I
speak for you correctly, sir?
[Mayor TK] The
last thing we need is more just rumor.
We really need to document. We don’t
want to create a panic but at the same
time I want the truth out there. And,
again, that’s why we’re going to
hire—and I promise you, Joyce, as soon
as we get the numbers you’ll be one of
the first we’ll let know.
[Joyce] Oh,
thank you very much.
[Mayor TK]
We’re going to find out. I mean, this is
personal to me. It’s not about politics
or business. This is strictly about my
kids and making sure my family is safe.
I’m selfish and that’s where I’m going
with it.
[Joyce]
Bingo—this is about a four-year-old
and a fourteen year-old who is very dear
to you and nobody wants to put anyone in
a position of danger…and I think that
it’s fine for Lindsay Williams to say
that but, again, I want to see the
documents. I’m a forensic document
reviewer for certain issues and I want
to see that because I don’t want anybody
being scared out of their skin for no
reason nor do I want to see anyone
suffer when they should be out of there.
[Mayor TK]
That’s right, exactly. Ok, let’s go
to—thank you, Fred in Missouri. Let’s go
to {sat break}.
{a caller} I’m
a firm believer in the 9th
and 10th amendment and I just
don’t understand why governors and
mayors just don’t get together and tell
the federal government you are subject
to us. We are not subject to you. And
this has been going on for years. We no
longer are citizens any more
of a state or a
resident of a state we are subject of
Washington, D.C. {News
flash: If you are a resident (res-ident)
you are a subject of D.C. since you’re
an agent of the principal which is
Washington, D.C. You don’t really want
to be a res-ident and under contract to
D.C. with your various adhesion
contracts like the birth certificate,
the social security, marriage
certificate, driver’s license, business
licenses, dog licenses, etc. If you are
under license you perform to a
contract—period! The same goes for the
state. The governments are only subject
to us if we are not agents of them by
contract. If you are their agents you
tell them nothing—they tell you
everything!}
and we automatically
have to do what
we’re told. Federal revenue sharing is
the most evil thing that was ever
perpetrated on the states. You have to
stay in line or else you don’t get your
little cookie, ok? {agents
stay in line}
[Joyce]
Alright, let me go to the mayor.
Mayor, now it’s hitting home now.
Counties versus cities versus the
federal government versus state—I mean
we’re seeing it right now and we’re
seeing a
very ugly picture as a result of it. {stay
private!!!}
[Mayor TK]
Well, we’re reaping the benefit of what
we’ve sown {amen}
where our apathy and ignorance over the
last whatever. This is how it’s going to
manifest itself. I would hope that the
rest of America would realize that if
this can happen to us it can happen to
you. But when folks talk about the
federal government, we do this, do that,
I mean, I’d like to ask most of the
people do you pay your income tax, your
federal income taxes {to the IMF} and
most of them say, ‘well, yes {sat
break}. Again, I don’t want to sound
like a coward but I have seen the heavy
hand of the government on colleagues of
mine in the health care business and in
other areas and I’m going to tell you if
there’s a unified effort to move
forward, I’ll be right in the middle of
it but to stick my neck out alone and go
against the federal government I’m not
going to stand here and try to be a
hero. I’m going to be right up front
with everybody. That’s not something I’m
willing to do or sacrifice my family and
life for.
[Joyce] Well, and
there is a certain risk when you stand
up and you’re the tallest nail on the
board—for sure.
[Mayor TK]
There’s certain things, Joyce, that I
would do that for. I mean, I’ll take a
bullet for my family, for my friends,
for my neighbors, but you also got to
pick your battles to know what battles
you can win. I have no desire—and I’ll
take…in failure and get nothing done.
[Joyce]
That’s exactly right. The risk versus
the benefit of all of this, ladies and
gentlemen. If there are people listening
from other states, other mayors. I know
we have a Congressman that listens to
this program all the time. Hey, let’s
look at the facts for what they are. The
system is not working.
The Power Hour is
reaching out to Orange Beach because
they have a mayor who is standing. He is
willing to be the watchman on the wall.
He is not backing down. He’s saying it
like it is. I’m just going to say this
to the mayor, I’m going to say it to him
off the air, there’s an extra home here
at the Power Hour. It’s all ready to do,
already to go, that if the mayor has to
leave we’ve got a home for the mayor
here at the Power Hour. I’m reaching out
with that because we put what we
believe—I’m sorry, ladies and gentlemen,
we know the pain they’re going through
and we can only feel this to the point
of just so much. He has to live it every
single day that this is bad and it’s
going to get worse. Let me go to Chris
in Florida. Chris in Florida, you’re on
the air—go ahead, please.
[Chris] Joyce, as we know
Christine Todd Whitman just after 911
allowed Wall Street to be opened again
by declaring…so we couldn’t expect
anything different from this
administration like when it comes to the
Gulf disaster. Maybe I was thinking
other toxins like benzene could be
neutralized with ozone and broken down
with ozone your personal air ionizer I
was thinking might be feasible to be
used inside something like a welder’s
mask so it’s closer to your nose and
mouth and you get more contact with the
ozone or ionized air so that you ionize
the breakdown of these kinds of toxins.
I’ve seen studies on-line, there are
quite a few that with ozone and even
including magnesium peroxide or
magnesium oxide, manganese oxide that it
does the same thing…
[Joyce]
Chris, let me just add, I think
ozone is an awesome idea. I think that
ozone is probably an answer for that
area too. We can’t go into all of that
right now because we’ve got so many
callers but you know what, thank you so
much for that. I know you’re opening up
a lot of areas for the mayor, right now,
and I’m sure his mind is swimming with
all these options that might be
available and we’ll certainly help him
if we can. Mayor, any response before we
go to Donna in Florida?
[Mayor TK]
Again, out of my area of expertise. I’ve
got a little bit in that area and it
sounds like a great hypothesis to me and
it’s just one example of how there’s a
ton of people on the ground that have
some great ideas that unfortunately have
sort of been pushed aside in this whole
process.
[Joyce] That’s
right and there’s a lot of bright people
and there’s a lot of people that know.
Alright, let’s go to Donna in Florida.
[Donna] …as a
young kid and we’re in Florida about
fifty miles north of Tampa. Our kids
live a mile from the beach down there.
The only thing going on down there is
that they’re putting all the fisherman
out of business because no one will buy
Florida seafood and it’s a mess down
there. Lindsay Williams was on a show in
Orlando the other day. He reported on
one of the shows that people were
extremely sick. Wait a minute, they’re
on the Atlantic Ocean. He said they’re
packing up and moving out terribly.
Another pastor was on Pastor Butch and
he gave a report out of Winter Haven
which is much farther inland than we are
but everybody was sick. Why are these…
[Joyce] …and
like he said he’s trying to get the
monitoring systems as fast as he can.
Mary in New York, final comment. I
apologize for not getting to your
question earlier. Go ahead with the
mayor.
[Mary] Ok. I
just wanted to say if you’ve ever heard
of John Moore, the liberty man?
[Joyce] Ok,
there’s a lot of radio shows and a lot
of people out there and unfortunately we
can’t deal with all of the… He’s not
listening to radio shows right now. Did
you have something that you wanted him
to hear that John Moore had to say?
[Mary] Yes.
He said that the rising ocean levels are
imminent and that people should watch Al
Gore’s movie on Inconvenient Truth and
think about that we don’t have twenty or
thirty years. The government prepared
and they got everything moved by
December 31st of 2009. I
wanted to suggest that it’s yeshuah’s
way of protecting us and getting us out
of harms way before the ocean…
[Joyce] I
don’t know, a lot of people believe that
this is prophesy that’s happening here.
Let me get a final comment from our
guest, Tony Keenan. I’ll have to let him
go but I don’t want to but I’ll have to
let him go. Go ahead, Mayor, any
comments you’d like to make.
[Mayor TK] I
tell my people, right here in town, I’ll
fight these guys and I’ll lead the
battle but when I turn around you’d
better be behind me. And I think America
had better sort of subscribe to that
same type of policy. Maybe the catalyst
to wake everybody up and realize our
government doesn’t have any interest in
our well-being. They have an interest in
our keeping and we have got to change
things through a mass effort—one person,
two person’s, I mean I’m stating the
obvious.
[Joyce] Yes,
you are. We got to go. Sir, thank you so
much. We’ll be back in touch with you.
Call us any time—you’ll be on the air.
[Mayor TK] And
you call me as well.
[Joyce] You
bet, have a blessed day.
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